Ok, i logged into FB and the first thing i saw was this..
"I BEG OF YOU - - - DON'T BREED OR BUY WHEN SHELTER PETS DIE!!!!! ISN'T THE REASON YOU WANT A DOG/CAT/HORSE/RABBIT/ANY PET IS FOR THE COMPANIONSHIP - NOT PAPERS, BRAGGING RIGHTS ON HOW MUCH IT COST, BLUE BLOOD! THERE ARE SO MANY AWESOME FURKIDS IN ACC'S THAT ARE GOING TO DIE TODAY BECAUSE SOMEONE BOUGHT OR BRED...THEIR BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS - NOT MINE. PLEASE SHARE IF YOU AGREE WITH ME!"
This person has her own APBT rescue, and their are so many people agreeing with her..
What are your opinions on this statement? Do you agree? Why or why not??|||Disagree and agree at the same time.
Rescues are not for anyone. Some people like me, want quality working dogs from working parents who have been health tested to ensure the best health possible to work (or show).
Some rescued dogs can be shy/aggressive, or have problems which some people can't deal with or don't know how to.
I agree however that breeding should be left to professionals who want to better the breed, not BYBs or puppy mills, or your average dog owner.|||I don't care what they put on their facebook. I don't agree because I personally would not get an adult dog from a shelter. The dog's blood isn't on my hands I did nothing to put the dogs in the shelter so I don't play into that. If people want to Go for it. My dogs are the ones I have taken the responsible for not every other dog/cat/mouse in the world. Also I am not responsible for all the hungry children in third world countries. It is like everything else that people put on Facebook. I am sure I put things on Facebook that others don't agree with but so be it.|||I kind of agree. Especially with APBT they are being horribly overbred by idiots who shouldn't even be allowed to own dogs.
And if you are wanting a dog solely as a pet and have no other plans for the dog, going to a shelter is probably the way to go
On the other hand, some breeders are great. And some people want a dog that is going to be able to do something that only good breeders breed for. It's kind of annoying when people say things like this because I don't think they realize that if people actually listened, dogs would be extinct within years.|||I disagree completely.
Why do people make this statement all the damn time ? Reputable breeders are NOT the cause of pet over-population. Just because someone wants to get a dog from a reputable breeder does not mean they contribute to the over population.
"Bragging rights ?" " Papers ?" those things are of little to no concern because BYB's can have papers too . .
Why not go after backyard breeders ?
Why not go after irresponsible pet owners ?
If anything, they are the cause of dogs being in the pound. A reputable breeder will take the dog back, whereas a backyard breeder will dissapear, never to be seen again.|||Disagree.
I wanted a Great Dane. The shelter had none. I went to a good breeder. I did not want just any random pet solely for companionship. Hell, I wanted a Dane I could take into the show ring with me.
Those "paper" and "blue blood" and "cost" only help ensure that whatever dog you DO get from a breeder is healthy and sound, and will make a good pet OR show prospect OR be able to preform whatever task it is you have set out for them.|||Disagree.
It depends on what you want. Do you want a companion, or a dog for the job? I have a four month old Dutch Shepherd that cost me a lot more than I'd like to admit. He's going to be a fully trained SAR, Personal Protection, Obedience and probably Narcotics as well when training is finished. Not any shelter dog has the guts for personal protection, not every shelter dog has the nose for Narcotics. How many shelter dogs to the police return to shelters because of failed tests? I wasn't taking chances with Karma (my dutchie). It depends on what you want from a dog. If you want solely as a companion, then by all means, rescue one! You'll never find a better friend.|||i think if someone wants to buy a dog from a reputable breeder then they have every right to do so. though personally i do prefer to adopt from a shelter or rescue i just think that so many are neglected and abused so instead of bringing more dogs into the world why not love one or two that are already here. i find something so fulfilling about taking a dog who came from hell and bringing them to be happy and healthy but that's just me. if someone wants to adopt or buy from a breeder as long as the dog will be loved and well cared for who am i to judge where a person gets their dog. i will say that all bybs need to be ended though.|||Of course. there are so many puppy mills and cruel dog breeders who don't care about the dogs, only the money they get from the offspring.
The amount of puppy mills ect, would decrease alot if more people got dogs from shelters (And saving a dogs life) becuase they wouldn't make as much money and the shelters would make more, so they can rescue more dogs.|||It's a good message to put across, making people aware of the fact many dogs are killed everyday because there is just no room for them in rescue centres any more- which is terrible and upsetting.
However, lot's of people want specific things, ie. show dogs and working dogs can't always be acquired from the centre- yes okay some can, but your taking a gamble. Yes by all means, if you aren't looking for anything in particular then rescue, or go to a breed specific rescue centre.|||I didn't want a dog just for companionship. Yeah, I adopted her, but I wanted a dog I could compete with in sporting events, one that I could use as a therapy dog, one that I could bring to anti-BSL speeches with me.
And why would their blood be on my hands and not hers?|||I do not agree. I will only own working dogs from now on, so I will never get a shelter dog again. I require a specific breed, that I can leave intact, with a good amount of a willingness to work. That's not possible to find at a shelter. Their blood is not on my hands.|||I agree because
They shouldn't charge money for adopting it but all dogs should have a home from anywhere|||In a way that person is right...but on the same hand a reputable breeder will only allow breed their b*tches occassionally usually when they want a puppy from a litter, so it is very limited. As well they only let their available puppies go to approved homes. I've seen applications forms for puppies that could rival that of any murder detectives questionnaire, they seriously DO NOT want their puppies going to homes who haven't done their research, are committed to raising this puppy and their breed, and if for some unfortunate event have to give the puppy back, the breeder takes them back and rehomes them herself.
NONE of a reputable breeders puppes should end up in a shelter. So if all breeders had this same standards and ethics on breeding, essentially speaking, NO puppies would end up in shelters. However, that is not the case. Should I be criticized because I wanted a purebred, reputably, healthy bred Basset Hound? No, I don't think that is fair. I wanted a dog that was not only beautfiful, but a dog that came from great lines, was tested for all genetic health issues and is sound in temperament.
So the comparison that if someone breeds dogs that shelter dogs all die doesn't really make sense. It's not the EXCEPTIONAL breeders fault these dogs are in shelters, it's negligent owners faults who end up getting these dogs and do not do their homework, fall for a cute puppy face and then find they don't like them as adults, have no idea how to train a dog and don't like it anymore etc. It's the OWNERS of these dogs faults, not the BREEDERS.
Yes, there are breeders who supply AKC papers etc and they are anything but EXCEPTIONAL breeders, and sure they probably would sell their puppies to anyone, but if we are going to compare this to breeders who breed for the LOVE of the breed, NOT for profit, then I don't think its fair. I know a lot of exceptional Basset Hound breeders who go to great lengths to make sure their puppies go into amazing homes who will take care of and look after these puppies for life, not just until the puppy phase passes....
So I personally don't think it is fair to criticize breeders and people who decide to purchase a well bred breed of dog from an exceptional reputable breeder instead of purchasing a dog from a shelter. It is the negligent breeders and owners of these dogs who DUMP them at the shelter we should criticize, it's their fault the dogs ended up in the shelters in the first place.|||Dogs are being pts for being a commodity. It's a sad fact that dogs are treated appallingly....by BYB's, by puppy mills.....and by a certain amount of JP, who seem to think that as soon as they have a baby, change house, get a younger dog, etc., etc., etc., then their dog goes. They don't seem to care that in a week's time the dog that was once their loving pet will be pts.
But I won't be held responsible for other's actions. I do obedience, and need a certain type of dog. All of our dogs here were bred by responsible breeders. My youngster has had every health check you can think of. BYB's may give you papers, but they don't do the health checks.....which I can trace back for generations.
My heart goes out to all the dogs that are pts every day here in the UK, and in the US, and everywhere else. But I won't be held responsible for it, or made to feel guilty because I bought a pup. I have done some rescue work.....taking a dog in, re-training and %26lt;hopefully%26gt; re-homing, and it can be rewarding and heart-breaking if it doesn't work out. I hate the abuse of animals world-wide, but it's the governments that need to do something about puppy mills in the UK and USA, dogs being killed alive in China, bears being used for bile, etc., etc., etc.
ETA: Gabby and Sammy love Raw Meat:- You said, "Most breeders who have papered dogs are piss poor breeders at best. Most papered dogs will die in shelters and pounds at 2 or 3 years old." Where do you get that info from? Most breeders I know will take their dogs back no matter what age they are!|||I disagree, because this person is being way too simplistic if they think stopping all breeding is remotely possible, or more importantly, if that were to be achieved, that it would stop dogs in Shelters from being pts. The Panorama programme quite clearly showed that more often the reason why dogs were being euth. was because their temperaments were so unreliable that they simply couldn't offer them for rehoming. And this sort of breeding is what needs to be stopped, although again, I'm not sure how especially when there is a section of the public (in the UK, can't speak for other countries) that actually want an aggressive dog, to go with their ridiculous macho image.
I wanted a companion last time I bought in, for sure, but I also wanted a specific breed, papers, and the potential to be able to show, even if it hasn't quite turned out that way.
Add - for the record, when I was still breeding, NOT ONE of my puppies ended up in Shelters at 2/3 years. And to help prevent that from ever happening, I had a return to me clause in my sale contract.|||You can go ahead and post this on her wall if you wish...
Why on god's green earth should I be prohibited from buying a dog from a REPUTABLE breeder in order to ensure to the best of my ability that I am getting a healthy dog with a good temperament? Nobody in their right mind cares about the papers that come with the dog because, after all, it is just that - paper. Sure we want to see they are registered with a kennel club to help make sure the breeder is legitimate but let's face it, there are backyard breeders that provide papers with their dogs too.
There is a HUGE difference between responsible breeding done by reputable breeders vs. backyard greeders that just want money and have no idea what they are doing.
Shelter dogs' blood is not on my hands - they are on the hands of ignorant people like you that just sit around and preach that we should all buy shelter dogs instead of going out there and trying to stop greeders like backyard breeders and puppy mills from existing - because THEY are the ones that put dogs in shelters. Reputable breeders do far more investigating with the people who are purchasing their pups AND they take their dogs back if the owner can't take care of them anymore for whatever reason.
So I'm sorry, the blood of the shelter dogs IS on your hands.
ADD: @Animals4Life - see, you are one of those who is not willing to look beyond the shelter dog itself. How about you go after the people that bred that dog and then sold it to those moronic owners that dropped it off at the shelter? Again, BYBs and puppy mills!|||"DON'T BREED OR BUY WHEN SHELTER PETS DIE" is a PETA mantra and I'm sick of hearing it.
If I want to buy a pure bred dog, that should be my choice, and not be guilt-ed into getting a dog from a shelter. Blame the idiots that allow their pets to breed, the bybs and mills for the dogs in shelters, not the person who buys from a reputable breeder. My hands are clean.....
animals 4 life: cold hearted? how about the moron who allowed their dog to breed then dumped the pups off at the shelter for someone else to deal with? I'd say that's about as cold hearted as you can get. And please don't be so dramatic and go on about how they are put down..we all know what happens. Again, put the blame where it belongs.|||I have mixed feelings. In one way, she's correct- most people DO NOT get their purebred dogs from good breeders. From my experience, people with purebreds (who aren't hardcore dog people) either got them from a shelter/ rescue (most likely not a good breeder- good breeders try to prevent their dogs from ending up in shelters), a petstore, or a backyard breeder. The ones who went to a good breeder are a gross minority. If we're talking pit and bully mixes, it's like, 1% who went the responsible route. Maybe less.
The people who are going to buy from a good breeder have done their homework, have likely heard this diatribe before, and aren't likely to be dissuaded by a facebook rant. For the rest, maybe they need to hear this. If it stops one uninformed person from buying a Red Nose Registered Pit Bull off craigslist, then it's been effective.
On the other hand, like the poster above said- eating my broccoli isn't going to help anyone in Africa. However, if you look at the breed, and the targeted audience (facebook), maybe she's correct. Pit mixes are far and away the most populous breed in shelters in my area, and I think that's pretty common. Reputable APBT breeders are few and far between, whereas I could go buy a 'purebred' pit bull in about 10 minutes.|||As much as I believe in adopting from shelters - this person is targeting the LEAST culpable party to the dog overpopulation problem
Go after irresponsible owners who don't fix their pets or discard their pets - THESE are the people filling the shelters.
Go after puppy mills for their flat out animal abuse
Go after BYBs because the mutts they produce are no 'better' than shelter mutts.
These are the real enemy.
Going after reputable purebred breeders won't make a dent in the overpopulation problem.
And at what cost? The gradual loss of any and all pure breeds?
I aint wit dat|||She's right. Most breeders who have papered dogs are piss poor breeders at best. Most papered dogs will die in shelters and pounds at 2 or 3 years old.
But that's besides the point. People are allowed to put whatever they want on Facebook, so long as it's legal.
Edit: My Toy Poodle came with papers..but papers mean nothing. My Toy Poodle has intestinal problems, has a slight bit of cataracts that showed up at not quite a year old, etc.
AKC registered means nothing. Puppy Mills sell AKC, UKC, etc. registered puppies.
Edit: I don't know why all the TD for me. I know the difference between reputable breeders and BYBs...most people who breed are BYBs..meaning piss poor at best.
Most people think adult rescue dogs come with problems. I have yet to encounter any. It only took a week or so of training to be able to fully train my adult rescue dogs. Takes a lot longer even with well bred puppies.
However, most reputable breeders are also doing rescue of that breed, and probably rescue/foster other dogs as well.|||It is the same type of statement as when you do not eat all your food on your plate and your parents say "there are starving children in Africa". Eating my broccoli is not going to make someone in African suddenly have a full plate of food.
Irresponsible breeding and pet ownership is not my problem.
Where I live the choice of dogs in pounds is either a Pit Bull or Pit Mix, or a Chihuahua.
I am not interested in either.
Nor am I interested in a backyard bred dog-which is also what the pound has to sell.
Dogs from reputable breeders wind up back with the breeder to be rehomed, not at the pound. (only in a rare instance where the owner never contacted the breeder)
No one is ever going to make me feel guilty for wanting a quality dog|||I help rescues I don't adopt rescues as sometimes they have serious issues from poor owners that I'm not prepared to deal with so I'm wary in that respect. Granted there are a lot of dogs in the rescues just today 100 dogs were dumped at Gaston Cty animal shelter in NC that are going to get euthanized, does that mean I should run out and try to save one? Nope.
When and if I go looking for another dog I had considered adopting from a breed specific rescue group rather than going the puppy route since I don't want the work that goes into a puppy, so eventually one day I plan on rescuing, unfortunately we can't help every single dog, I wish we could.|||I agree totally. If you want a dog, then rescue one.|||I totally agree, did you know the kill shelters put dogs down to make room for other ones because there are so many coming in? What do you think happens when a lot (by no means am I saying all) of BYB's can't sale all their pups? My husband on the other hand thinks different from me so one of my dogs is from a certified breeder. But my feelings on those who disagree are there are rescue centers (they don't put the dogs down but they are still dogs that need a loving family) that have any dog you are looking for. Great dane resues doberman rescues and so on and so forth.|||I don't mean to be rude but...... for the people who disagree this is what i say, ok say you are a dog you love your owners then all of a sudden the drop you off at a shelter. You wait a couple weeks then these strangers come and take you into this room. You have no clue that they are going to put you down and you will never see the earth again. They make you lie down on a table and they put a shot in you then the earth turns black. You just died, you where a perfectly good dog. That happens every single day in the USA to about 1,000 pets. And for the dogs that are born with papers and crap they can stay for up to a good 8 months wile a shelter dog is like 1 month or even just 3 days!!!!! Also pure breed pups get homes quicker cause people are so cold hearted they cant even save a life, or wait till a shelter has a purebred that you want!!!! the shelter near me gets about a pure breed a week and they stay there for a long time because people choose the breeders instead of shelters! In fact i just checked the website and they just got a litter of pure breed german Shepard and cocker spaniels!!!!! So i agree with the facebook post!
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